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Posted 2/12/2008 12:17:32 PM
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Does the new reef fish circle hook rule apply to sabiki's? We use the heavy duty sabiki's for catching trigger fish and other small fish for use as live baits around the wrecks, the way the new rule reads I think that is now illegal.
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Posted 2/12/2008 6:45:10 PM
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This law is going to be very difficult to enforce. As long as there are no other boats within a few miles of you, who's to say what gear you're fishing. If you were to do something illegal, you'd have to be pretty stupid to keep doing it when you noticed that another boat started running straight at you. It would take at least a few minutes before they arrived which would give plenty of time to remove any bait from your sabiki, stow it, and break out another rod rigged with circle hooks. This is all just hypothetical, of course.
Oh, and using "other small fish" that have size or bag limits is also illegal now.


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Posted 2/12/2008 7:58:51 PM


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have they put a size limit on the endangered hardtail yet.

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Posted 2/12/2008 8:02:37 PM


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Posted 2/12/2008 8:07:52 PM


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Not sure how that would work. The FWC was going to look into the use of non-stainless steel hooks for snapper fishing but I didn't hear them say anything definate about there use out in Panama City. Sabikis were primarily designed for bait fishing,not for catching snapper or trigger so theres no way it would hold up in court against ya. Then again I never did win any of my court cases

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Posted 2/12/2008 8:07:55 PM


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Yes, the proposed rule will go into effect april 1, the new hardtail regulations are as follows:

Bag limit of 4 per person

min. length 5"

max. length 6" with 1 fish over slot.

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Posted 2/12/2008 9:25:55 PM


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Those are some damn funny hardtail post! Not to derail, sorry.

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Posted 2/12/2008 9:43:31 PM
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It's not derailing, it's only highlighting how stupid the fisheries management laws are becoming.

I'm thinking the circle hook rule is going to be enforced about as hard as the treble hook laws are pushed inshore. Have any of y'all ever had an FWC officer check to see if you are fishing with treble hooks and live bait inshore? I know I have not ever had one check my hooks.

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Posted 2/12/2008 9:53:14 PM
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I hear alot of people on this board complaining when someone keeps an oversize red fish  but I alos here alot of ya talking about geting around other rules... dumb or not its the rule. follow them or not I dont care just stay one one side not both follow the rules or dont....

sorry ive been known to bend a few rules but I also dont chastize someone for bending other rules.

sorry if I upset anyone

its just how I feel

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Posted 2/12/2008 9:57:06 PM
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I don't brake any rules, but I do openly deplore rules that I think are stupid.

The regulations pertaining to redfish make since because they are a viable candidate for catch and release. Red snapper are not.

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Posted 2/13/2008 9:20:26 AM


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The "non-stainless steel circle hook" is for all reef fish.

 

 

The new rules also require fishers on all vessels in the Gulf reef fish fishery to possess and use certain gear, including non-stainless steel circle hooks that must be possessed aboard a vessel and used to harvest any Gulf reef fish when natural baits are used.  A circle hook is a fishing hook designed and manufactured so that the point is turned perpendicularly back to the shank to form a generally circular or oval shape.

At least one dehooking device is required as well and must be used to remove hooks embedded in Gulf reef fish with minimum damage.  The dehooking device must be constructed to allow the hook to be secured and the barb shielded without re-engaging during the removal process.  It must be blunt and all edges rounded, and it must be of a size appropriate to secure the range of hook sizes and styles used in the Gulf reef fish fishery.

At least one venting tool is also required and must be used to deflate the swimbladders of Gulf reef fish to help release the fish with minimum damage.  This tool must be a sharpened, hollow instrument, such as a hypodermic syringe with the plunger removed or a 16-gauge needle fixed to a hollow wooden dowel.  A tool such as a knife or an ice-pick may not be used.  The venting tool must be inserted into the fish at a 45-degree angle approximately 1 to 2 inches from the base of the pectoral fin and be inserted just deep enough to release the gases so that the fish may be released with minimum damage.

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Posted 2/13/2008 10:15:53 AM


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The "non-stainless steel circle hook" is for all reef fish.

At least one dehooking device is required as well and must be used to remove hooks embedded in Gulf reef fish with minimum damage.  The dehooking device must be constructed to allow the hook to be secured and the barb shielded without re-engaging during the removal process.  It must be blunt and all edges rounded, and it must be of a size appropriate to secure the range of hook sizes and styles used in the Gulf reef fish fishery.

How do you shield the barb on the hook so as not let it re-engage in the removal process. Anyone out there have a picture of such a de-hooking device? I'm trying to picture such a device but can't.

Also how do you know when a reef fish is going to take the bait vrs a non reef fish.

http://www.dehooker4arc.com/instructions.cfm

 

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Posted 2/13/2008 10:58:49 AM
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The only saltwater circle hooks that I know of that aren't made of stainless are like the ones from owners that are coated in that shiny crap that NEVER rusts. The only bronze circle hooks Iv'e ever seen were for bass fishing.

It sounds like they have madated we fish with hooks that aren't being manufactured and a dehooking device that theoretically may exist. I wonder if flipping sticks are going to be illegal? That would make deckhanding a bitch.

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Posted 2/13/2008 11:19:32 AM


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The only saltwater circle hooks that I know of that aren't made of stainless are like the ones from owners that are coated in that shiny crap that NEVER rusts. The only bronze circle hooks Iv'e ever seen were for bass fishing.

It sounds like they have madated we fish with hooks that aren't being manufactured and a dehooking device that theoretically may exist. I wonder if flipping sticks are going to be illegal? That would make deckhanding a bitch.

Looks like the flipping stick and the Baker release I normally use are both not legal.



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Posted 2/13/2008 11:26:04 AM


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The Flippin' Stick is by far the quickest and least harmful way to release a fish (especially snapper) I have ever seen!  Can someone please show me something better?  If they outlaw these I really don't know what to use...

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Posted 2/13/2008 3:09:31 PM


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I ordered one of these yesterday just run across it on google. It has the de-hooking device and the needle all in one. dont know how wel it works though. There website is www.snappersaver.com

The SnapperSaver combines a rugged, no-nonsense de-hooker and a safe, retractable hypodermic venting needle into a single easy-to-use tool. Durable, high-quality materials combined with cutting-edge ergonomic design result in a tool designed to absorb serious punishment in the harsh environment of salt-water fishing. If you've been looking for a tool that can get the hooks out of the "shorts," quickly, safely vent them, and get 'em back in the water, this is the tool for you.



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Posted 2/14/2008 4:02:21 PM


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Gosh I hope that comes with instrutions cause according to some ass hat who commented on rec fisherman in the PNJ 75% of us don't know how to vent a snapper. Not that we catch very many of them cause thier so few around anymore 

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I'm not a lawyer but I think      "when natural baits are used." may be the key phrase in the new regulations.  If I am fishing with a hair jig I don't need a circle hook.  If I am fishing with a cigar minnow I do. 

 

I think the hardest question is about two hook trigger fish rigs using squid not sabiki rigs.   

 

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Posted 2/14/2008 4:30:18 PM
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I'm assuming two hook chicken rigs with J hooks are now illegal. The 3/0 lazer sharp circles work on chicken rigs for mingos and triggers, but I'm not sure whether or not they're made of stainless. 
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Posted 2/14/2008 5:27:56 PM
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Gosh I hope that comes with instrutions cause according to some ass hat who commented on rec fisherman in the PNJ 75% of us don't know how to vent a snapper. Not that we catch very many of them cause thier so few around anymore 

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Posted 2/16/2008 8:09:54 PM


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Where exactly are these regulations posted on the fwc site?

 

 

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Posted 2/16/2008 8:35:34 PM


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Where exactly are these regulations posted on the fwc site?

http://www.myfwc.com/whatsnew/08/statewide/News_08_X_SnapperRegs.htm

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This is the link where I found them http://myfwc.com/whatsnew/08/statewide/News_08_X_SnapperRegs.htm

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All right, thanks for the links.

 

 

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Posted 2/17/2008 7:07:50 PM


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The only saltwater circle hooks that I know of that aren't made of stainless are like the ones from owners that are coated in that shiny crap that NEVER rusts. The only bronze circle hooks Iv'e ever seen were for bass fishing.

I'm not 100% that the circle hooks I use (Eagle Claw, Mustad) aren't stainless, but one use in saltwater, they are quite rusty if not cleaned. I do have some stainless J hooks, the box was marked as such, and they were quite expensive.

I wonder if the FWC is going to spend the bucks to prove  if a given hook is stainless. Some stainless will stick to a magnet, some will not. What will be the test?

Is a circle hook that has been altered (made into a J hook) legal? Lots of anglers open circle hooks for a larger bite.

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Posted 2/17/2008 7:30:47 PM


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illegal or not, im still using sabikis to catch bait on a wreck and im still using stainless hooks wreck fishing

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Posted 2/17/2008 7:46:06 PM


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Posted 2/17/2008 10:01:09 PM
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I doubt that we will alter the tackle that we fish with at all. I usually use circle hooks for snapper and grouper, but a lot of people don't like circle hooks and I doubt they will start using them.

If you set the hook when you get a bite with J-hooks you also hook the fish in the corner of the mouth.

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Posted 2/24/2008 8:04:16 AM
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Re: Stainless Steel Hooks.....

Stainless steel is non-magnetic....... I went through my tackle box and  the silver looking hooks, that I thought were stainless, were not.....

I found very few stainless hooks........

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