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Buzzbait (1/23/2010)
Anyone know the commercial regulations? When is "their" season and what are the take limits?
They (NMFS) elimanted the "season" for commercials a few years back because derby-style fishing (only the first 10 days were open) were dangerous and boats would go "get" no matter the weather or risk to life.
Limits now are IFQs (individual fishing quotas) that are based on past catch records. Each boat gets what it can/could prove it's usually caught. They're not getting any more or less than ever before for the most part (except total TAC went do so their % was cut).
As for the commercial guy on here that's "rubbing it in our faces," he didn't even start the thread. The captain's kid'd friend did, blame him if you want. Not the deck's fault.
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Nice bunch of pics! Congrats!
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Mingo
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| Lets take things into perspective. There used to be two types of commercial permits for snapper. A 200#/day permit and a 2,000#/day permit. They were allowed to fish the first 10 days of every month for a total of 120 days allowed. If the guy with the smaller permit fished every day he was allowed 24,000 lbs a year. There were about 850 of these permits for a total of 20.4 million lbs/year. If the guy with the larger permit fished every day he was allowed 240,000 lbs a year. There were 25 of these permits for a total of 6 million lbs/year. The commercial guys used to be able to catch 26.4 million lbs per year. It all changed a couple of years ago for the commercial guys like it did for us. They got a quota that was determined by historical catch. Last years Total Allowable Catch (TAC) was 5 million lbs. The commercial guys get 51% of that for a total of 2.55 million lbs. That is only 10% of what they used to be able to catch. According to recent data, the 25 "large permit" boats caught 50% of the commercial limit. These 25 get 1.275 million lbs/year or less than 20% of what they used to catch. The small permit guys are allowed the other 1.275 million lbs. I think there are 456 of those permits still active for a yearly total of about 3,000 lbs each. That is a little over 10% of what there previous limit. The recreational fishermans limit was decreased from 10 fish to 2 fish, or 20% of what it used to be. They have restricted the commercial guy about the same as us. What I don't like is the fact that the commercial guys get to rape the public numbers before they start fishing there own stuff. It will probably be June 15 before a line is ever dropped on any of their private stuff, IF they have any private reefs. The 4 commercial guys I know do not have any private reefs. They fish the public reefs just like us, but they fish the near shore reefs first.
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The fish in the pics came from way down the line not close public stuff. I cant speak for all commercial guys but not everyone fishes close public stuff. This captain has more numbers than anyone I know
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Some commercial guy do fish the public spots 12 miles out of Destin. Why because it's close (fuel cost) and there are plenty of Red Snapper and the turn around time is short.
 I support separation of commercial and recreational fishing. I support the ethics of sportsmen including conservation of our fisheries and recommend taking only what you can use without waste within legal limits.
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Ruby Red Lip
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Wow, you are making a living..........I can drop some cash and hang a snapper permit on my vessel and call it making a living also. It's total numb nuts like you that like to stir the pot.
Granted We cant go out and catch snapper but we have to buy snapper from the markets caught by morons like this.
I would be careful how much pot stirring you do because chances are you have a Federal passenger permit for hire also and everyone I know doesn't like doing business with ass holes no matter how much fish you put them on.
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Ruby Red Lip
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| smooth criminal. you dont know what the fuck your talkin about and i,d like to see you go get this permit your talkin about. good luck! we will go get our 3500 lbs while you wait to go get your 2 fish in june
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GROUPAGROUPAGROUPA (1/24/2010)
smooth criminal. you dont know what the fuck your talkin about and i,d like to see you go get this permit your talkin about. good luck! we will go get our 3500 lbs while you wait to go get your 2 fish in juneWOW!! We all know Hog Wild catches fish, didnt know the quality of the crew!! It's all coming together now!!
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Cigar Minnow
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| Ronnie is a class act as those of us who have fished with him and those of us he has helped through he years know. i don't know who is representing him but i doubt he approves .out of respect for what he does and what he has accomplished i think it is time the moderators shut this down .
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Voodoo Lounge (1/24/2010)
[quote]GROUPAGROUPAGROUPA (1/24/2010)
smooth criminal. you dont know what the fuck your talkin about and i,d like to see you go get this permit your talkin about. good luck! we will go get our 3500 lbs while you wait to go get your 2 fish in juneWOW!! We all know Hog Wild catches fish, didnt know the quality of the crew!! It's all coming together now!![/quote] +1
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GROUPAGROUPAGROUPA (1/24/2010)
smooth criminal. you dont know what the fuck your talkin about and i,d like to see you go get this permit your talkin about. good luck! we will go get our 3500 lbs while you wait to go get your 2 fish in june
Groupa, you act like you are about 10 years old. I hope one day Karma catches up. You are nothing but a shit stirring keyboard cowboy.
Someone should call the captain and tell him to check out what his punk ass little deck hand likes to do in his spare time.
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Trigger
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| The captain of that vessel is just doing his job, but who a man employs says something about a man. i can guarantee you that I won't ever recommend hog wild again after reading this thread. GroupaGroupaGroupa, I'd say you will be lucky to have a job if your boss finds out what kind of marketing you are doing for him there buddy.
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| very childish! groupagroupagroupa. You act like it is your boat and you have some great privalage to be able to bring in all the snapper you want while the rest of the fishermen have to throw back their catch. The way I see it is, you work on the boat. Prob. don't get paid much ($7-$8) an hour. You get back to the dock when done fishing and go home smelling like bait everyday with a cool $100 in your pocket for busting your ass. Yes I consider that earning a living. But consider this. You come on here running your mouth to people making your boat look bad. Your boss finds out and cans you. Where are you then? Waiting till June to catch your 2 a day limit? I doubt it cause the money you made while fishing is not enough to put away for a boat or fuel and you pissed everyone on here off so nobody will give you a ride. So who is gonna be crying a river then? So go cut your bait and talk your smack. I'll wave when I see you standing on the dock wishing you could go catch 2 fish. I don't ever buy snapper anyway. I would take 1 grouper over 50 snapper. Even tho that boat is loaded down, you still can't drop a hook for the grouper without hooking some snapper.
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| Here ya' go.. Have fun! hoguem@bellsouth.net phone 850-934-1743
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Mingo
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| When I see catches like the photos at the beginning of this thread and the video on the thread currently in the General Discussion section I always have to ask: Are red snapper really endangered? If "yes" the commercial harvest must end. If "no" the recreational angler needs to be able to keep more than 2 fish. A two fish rec. limit and allowing the massive slaughter by commercial fishermen just doesn't make sense. Either the red snapper is endangered or it is not. My personal opinion is to make red snapper a game fish and let more people enjoy the national resource.
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BJW (1/25/2010)
When I see catches like the photos at the beginning of this thread and the video on the thread currently in the General Discussion section I always have to ask: Are red snapper really endangered?
If "yes" the commercial harvest must end.
If "no" the recreational angler needs to be able to keep more than 2 fish.
A two fish rec. limit and allowing the massive slaughter by commercial fishermen just doesn't make sense. Either the red snapper is endangered or it is not.
My personal opinion is to make red snapper a game fish and let more people enjoy the national resource.
it's all about who has the money
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Ruby Red Lip
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| i just wanted to come on here and apologize for my actions on this forum and all my dumb comments. i wasnt in my right mind when i was writing all those dumb comments. none of these comments have anything to do with captain ronnie or his boat. he is a class A guy and probably wouldnt agree with how i was talking. anyways i cant go back and erase anything i said but l would like to apologize to everyone on here. And all the comments people gave me really opened my eyes and yes all this was very childish, and it sucks that it took this for me to realize i can be a jackass after a bunch of frosties. truley sorry, im gonna go for now so i can gets some rest before we go mash um again tommorrow!
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GROUPAGROUPAGROUPA (1/25/2010)
i just wanted to come on here and apologize for my actions on this forum and all my dumb comments. i wasnt in my right mind when i was writing all those dumb comments. none of these comments have anything to do with captain ronnie or his boat. he is a class A guy and probablywouldnt agree with how i was talking. anyways i cant go back and erase anything i said but l would like to apologize to everyone on here. And all the comments people gave me really opened my eyes and yes all this was very childish, and it sucks that it took this for me to realize i can be a jackass after a bunch of frosties. truley sorry, im gonna go for now so i can gets some rest before we go mash um again tommorrow!
Looking back through your message history, apparently you weren't in your "right mind" about a lot of comments you have made. Somehow I get the feeling you "got your ass chewed" and came on here to apologize not out of any genuine sense of remorse, but out of looking out for your own ass/job. Funny how that works.
Regardless, I guess it's a start. Time will tell I guess whether you really mean it.
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Ruby Red Lip
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| No, I didnt come on here because i got my ass chewed, or worried about a job. i came on here to apologize because of a couple of my comments. i just was lookin through all the comments and i just agreed with alot of you guys and thought some of the stuff i said was cocky and childish. i guess im just tryin to say that i was sorry just cause i felt wrong. thats all
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| I know Hog Wild's crew very well Great Guys, Very Hardworking, and Honest. I think things got a little out of hand on some posts from all sides of the conversation, and i also think Groupa is sincere in apologizing. So Cowgirls don't Cry! Quit Bitching and go Fishing!!!
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| Yea, Hog Wild has a great rep and its sad to see fisherman going at each other because of the lack of respect of a few. We're all in this together, or at least we should be. We all love to fish but it sounds like you(and many other fisherman I know) need to look that beer can in the mirror and learn to love the water w/o it. For your sake and ours. We all know guys who can't fish unless they've exercised their God-given right to throw back a beer or twelve everytime they hit the water. Chris
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My problem would be with GROUPAGROUPAGROUPA potty mouth. My 12 year old son loves to read these post. he cant wait to get out and catch some snapper.
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Fiver (1/25/2010)
The captain of that vessel is just doing his job, but who a man employs says something about a man. i can guarantee you that I won't ever recommend hog wild again after reading this thread. GroupaGroupaGroupa, I'd say you will be lucky to have a job if your boss finds out what kind of marketing you are doing for him there buddy.
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WHY can you keep RS and the rec fisherman can't? May you and the stupid ,crooked politicians that allow this all go to hell. The fish belong to all of us, not 20% to the rec fisherman, and the 80% to a few commercial fisherman. Get of our web site!
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Personally, I thought this was primarily a recreational fisher-person website... I don't care to see a commercial boat loaded with 1.5 tons of snapper that are out of season for the rest of us. Frankly, I don't see any well intended point of posting this here. I have my own opinion about the situation with snapper limits between commercial and recreational... I'll keep it to myself and I don't care to get into a long debate over it as it is pointless to debate with anyone other than the NMFS and the Gulf Council morons.
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Cigar Minnow
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| Rest assured that this thread & GroupaGroupaGroupa's comments have been spread far & wide to all persons in high places. Now they can know why there is such a huge chasm between recs & comms.
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ya'll should not let groupa get you so upset. it's obvious that he has cocksucka syndrome. probally trying to make up for some other area of his life where something is missing. spit it out groupa bofore you ckoke to death.
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jlw1972 (3/3/2010)
ya'll should not let groupa get you so upset. it's obvious that he has cocksucka syndrome. probally trying to make up for some other area of his life where something is missing. spit it out groupa bofore you ckoke to death.This is all water under the bridge bro. I apologized for offending anyone and now you come on here talking smack about a thread from a month ago. And im the one with something missing in my life?
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